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@gurubert Group together, found an association, hire some admin(s) to run the thing technically for your association, and then join that instance as members? If the group has no funds, they should try to raise them ...

I just don't think the proper way is to kind of hijack an instance and press your groups rules on that instance's owner, admins and users. As that's what I read as the long term idea between your initial toot's lines ...

@gurubert I don't have any AGB for may personal mail (server) ... Nor do those of e. g. Google or GMX apply to my email to them.

Well, you stated initially "IMHO instances should be governed", to me that applied to any instance. If that's supposed to be a hint on choosing one's homeinstance(s), sure, that would be ideal for the "people" (users of that instance) — OTOH, "you have the code to fix it" or, similarily: you're free to setup your own, set your own rules there, no?

@gurubert IANAL, für mich sind Daten, die auf normalem Wege nicht mehr zugreifbar sind, "gelöscht". In Snapshots eitern diese Daten raus — aber gelöscht werden sie dort in einer wirtschaftlich funktionalen Datenverarbeitungsanlage nicht direkt. WORM heißt so aus einem Grund ;) Ich würde erwarten, daß bei einem 404 der Homeinstanz eine Mastodon-Installation auch die lokale Kopie dieser Daten löscht/unzugänglich macht, wird ja schließlich in der EU entwickelt. Aber wissen: nope.

@gurubert Do I want the EU or the UN to step in and regulate? For God's Sake, No!

@gurubert The #Fediverse, AFAICS, lacks this top-level authority. Similarily to how the email system works, you "add a server" and are part of it. The powers that are in these systems somehow define standards for "good" and "bad" behavior, and ways to keep the "bad guys" from causing to much friction. 4/4

@gurubert hey together somehow decide on things, but by having trademarked the name "Freifunk", one registered association from Berlin – that kind of invented it in the first place – in theory could excersise some power on "misbehaving" communities to at least not call themselves "Freifunk" anymore. 3/x

@gurubert Now, to consider yourself a part of the movement, you don't have to join any of these associations at all, but just to work with
others towards the generic goals. 2+ people IIRC doing that already count as a "Community".
Those smaller Communities form the bigger, german wide, Freifunk Community. 2/x

@gurubert Let's me tell you my view on e. g. the #Freifunk movement. There are registered associations, there are non-registered ones or people that just work together (which legally may be an partnership unter the Cocil Code (dt.: GbR ) or a non-registered association (dt.: nicht-eingetragener Verein). These work together unter the Freifunk umbrella, broadly sharing the same goals but apply different ways of working towards those locally. 1/x

@gurubert *Homeinstance, you know what I mean ;-)

@gurubert AFAICS löscht Du sie auf Deinem Homeserver, und damit sind sie (dort) weg. Externe Inhalte werden auf den Instanzen AFAIK prinzipiell nach Zeit gepurged (ist ja im Grunde auch technisch nur ein Cache), aber so ganz klar wurde das gestern Abend in der #fedihelp -Session auch nicht beantwortet. #Mastodon bzw. #ActivityPub ist für einige (mich eingeschlossen) halt wirklich noch #Neuland ;-)

@gurubert Apart from the issues I see according to German Law at least, I haven't seen this approach working unless there's a single controlling instance that can enforce who's in and who's out. After all, you shouldn't be allowed to force by Law to become a community member either; I don't think that's how the idea of a "community" works.